Question to bot programmers

[cryospam]

OK, so I'm not a programmer at all, but I was wondering how difficult it would be to take advantage of the GREAT windows xp virtual machines that come with new windows 7 operating systems.

How tough would it be to take a windowed virtual machine at 1024x768 running eve online, and have the bot to run in the windows 7 backend so it would be undedectable from a process style style appearance...the bot wouldn't be running on the same PC "so to speak" as the client or any of CCP's security stuff. The mouse clicks operate from the windows 7 machine into the virtual machine.

This might be able to be done if the bot can analyze what the screen actually looks like (I remember some bot programs which required you to set your windows background to classic settings).

Anyways...like I said, I'm not a programmer, but I am a former botter who thankfully was taking a bit of a break from botting due to an insane work schedule so I haven't lost anything.

Cryo

[Stub]

We've been using Virtual Machines for ages mate.
Look up vmware player & workstation.

[cryospam]

thats not what I mean, I know you can use VM to run the bot and the client, but what about running the client in a hosted window, and the bot in the parent operating system

[Stub]

It could work, I just found the page on MS site. It just looks like another virtual machine product, maybe it has better 3d acceleration support, but the current vmware does exactly the same thing so I'm not sure how useful it would be.

[cryospam]

I guess was that has anyone built a bot that is "isolated" from the client through the use of the virtual machine. I mean it seems like unless you're mining 23/7 it would be hard to catch you using behavioral things. By isolating the client from the bot program, there would be no need to worry about what sniffing software ccp integrates into eve, as eve, for all intensive purposese, would be on it's own computer with nothing but eve, perhaps an antivirus and a lil bit more to make it look totally legit.

As far as the flavor of virtual XP machine that isn't what i'm getting at, it's just that the click through for the windows 7 built in one works so well. Is that what the current generation of xmware utilizing bots do, or are they installed in the same virtual machine with the game client?

I haven't botted in a while, my account has pretty much been sitting gaining SP, and I was just wondering on the best way to "hide" the bot from ccp so when I restart I dont get popped immediately.

Cryo

[GameTester1993]

i know what you are saying, don't think anyone else does, but yes it would be possible, Anti Bot AI such as Warden for Blizzard snoop through your computer, and running a Virtual OS environment with the Bot being run outside of that environment on the host machine but interacting with the Virtual machine would prevent snooping, they wouldn't be able to determine if u were running one or not because they would only have access to the Virtual machines files and directories, not the Host Machines. all you would have to do is set up the Pixel click Co-ordinates respectively to the layout and design of the VM software so that it would click in the actual game and not elsewhere, i may look into doing this later on, it seems to be a very interesting idea.

[civan]

From a technical point of view that would make the bot less detectable. But for eve it would be pointless as ccp doesn't use client side detection or "Anti Bot AI" if you prefer.

[GameTester1993]

From a technical point of view that would make the bot less detectable. But for eve it would be pointless as ccp doesn't use client side detection or "Anti Bot AI" if you prefer.

yes that is true adn well known, but it is at least an idea for WoW bot programmers here ont he forums, majority wise it is EvE but we do still have a minority of WoW boters and programmers. Still if CCP does decide to, we know how to counter it better and reduce detection. But really it is a good idea, i mean you could have a remote control App running on one computer that is used to accesss and control all the other computers it is linked to, all be it that is massively alot fo programming and would hard to manage/handle, but would be an acomlishment none the less.

[civan]

Could have, would have, should have. I prefer to discuss reality, right now ccp's client hasn't got any mechanisms for sending any kind of detection data (processes, clicks, import table etc.), and it wont be the case for some time now, as their server side detection is very neat and developed.
The group of applications that you are looking for already exist, google mouse broadcasting.