Mining-Bot written in .NET ?

[alukart79]

Anyone know something about the Mining-Bot written in .NET by kadeous ?
He posted his program in the old forums...

Don't know, if my post here is correct...

[PresumedEvil]

http://r2d2.xstorm.net/index.php

He's still around... and is hoping to get a spot on these boards again too.

[TgurlSara]

Isnt .Net simulare to C in the mater that it can be detected easyer then say some thing like AHK?

[Kadeous]

Greetings,

Well any program can be detected it's a risk with anything. But if you put things in place to help avoid detection then you can limit the risk. I wouldn't say that C and .net are simulare in my opinion. AHK is also good if coded correctly, having open source you just make your risk factor go up to 100%, having close source with a good license and Terms and Conditions you limit the risk to ruffly 50%, and if you take it even further you can limit it more. Just my thoughts around that, however the project is still alive and well. I will be working on getting a spot here on the boards hopefully.

[IceHound]

Isnt .Net simulare to C in the mater that it can be detected easyer then say some thing like AHK?

.net is more of a framework that allows code from different languages to be run together. IE. C++ running with java, and C#. it also allows programs to run across multiple OS without having to rewrite the app. so, as i understand it, you can write a program in C++ and have functions and stiff included in it that are written in JAVA, and it will all work as if it is all done in one language.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_Language_Runtime

also, program detection isnt an issue unless you are altering the eve process (like python injection). CCP cannot see, and WILL not see what programs you have running or installed on your machine. there are severe penalties for snooping like that without getting your consent. as in they could be sued by all 300,000+ eve subbers for privacy violations.

and lets say they have the sniffer code installed but it is inactive, they could still get slammed because that could be proved to show intent. even if they say they never activated it, or never received any personal info from it, the fact that it is there can cause them issues. and there would never be an "OOPS, we had a server malfunction and all of the sniffers were accidentally activated...". that would be no different than if they intentionally turned it on themselves.

so, in the end, the programs you have on your computer are invisible to CCP. and will be unless they institute something like warden (which they stated they will not do).

[tehgeek]

Very true IH, however... in order for us to be sure, we must monitor the TOS and EULA every patch/xpac that comes out, just because they SAY they wont do it, doesn't mean they wont let it slip under the radar, with an updated TOS and EULA you have to agree to" And most service providers are allowed to change their ToS and EULA, they just have to make it re-pop up in the client for you to agree to

[IceHound]

so... unless the tos pops up, there is no need for all the concern about what programs are running. and even then, there are ways around it.
i saw an AV removal tool that uses a random filename every time it is downloaded. this was to prevent the more persistent viruses from recognizing it and taking steps to prevent its (the virus) removal. it shouldn't be too hard to do something similar.

[GameTester1993]

so... unless the tos pops up, there is no need for all the concern about what programs are running. and even then, there are ways around it.
i saw an AV removal tool that uses a random filename every time it is downloaded. this was to prevent the more persistent viruses from recognizing it and taking steps to prevent its (the virus) removal. it shouldn't be too hard to do something similar.

Better yet, setup a bot that interacts with a VM and having the game client "ONLY" installed in the VM environment and don't allow file sharing between the VM's and host machine

[Dodgy]

Better yet, setup a bot that interacts with a VM and having the game client "ONLY" installed in the VM environment and don't allow file sharing between the VM's and host machine

I might have a go at trying this, because I like a challenge. I will not create an entire bot for it though, just the core.

Which VMWare is the most commonly used by you guys?

[Username]

I might have a go at trying this, because I like a challenge. I will not create an entire bot for it though, just the core.

Which VMWare is the most commonly used by you guys?

The most recent version of VMware workstation usually, I need it for work related purposes so the 200ish$ price tag is a non-issue in this case, but as far as the average person on here it's probably something free.....

People bot in wow without the need for VMs though despite warden, it'd be best to have a system that doesn't rely on the VMs, because it's easy enough to use "Standard" stuff in a vm, but pretty hard to use a Host to VM-Based app without actually having a VM.....

My vote would be to not rely on VMs for this, it's easier and presents less "Hiccups"

[IceHound]

speaking of VMs... VMWare in particular...

i know you can name the VM as if it were still just a regular computer, but is there a way to rename the network adapter? mine always shows VMWare in its name.
im thinking it may not be a bad idea to make the VMs look like a regular computer on the network.

[DannyDeranged]

iirc, some european countries have laws against updating TOSs that violate user privacy. Heard something to that effect come out of Germany, but I could be completely wrong here particularly considering I'm not sure what context that applies to.
Privacy law's a bitch, regardless, and I can't imagine CCP wants to get into all that when, as we've said before, botters = $$$ for them.

[tehgeek]

speaking of VMs... VMWare in particular...

i know you can name the VM as if it were still just a regular computer, but is there a way to rename the network adapter? mine always shows VMWare in its name.
im thinking it may not be a bad idea to make the VMs look like a regular computer on the network.

If you could get a hold of the source for the VM Network Driver, you can name it as you like, but I don't know if you can with VMWare. Maybe throw up that question on the VMWare forums?